ATTACK ON IRAN EMMINENT ..
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People .. Grab the pop corn, it's on!Yessiree dogeez! Defense Secetary Leon Panetta says so. Right there on national TV. he has just informed Americans and the rest of the world that Israel plans on attacking Iran in the spring. How cool. Iran doesn't have to worry about spending all that silly money on spies, and can give Hezbollah some badly needed bread. No more of that crazy "classified" information stuff. No sir. Apparently we have ourselves a Secretary of Defense who apparently has no unspoken thoughts. (maybe not the greatest trait for a man with his job description) No doubt Israel is thrilled to death. Now they don't have to worry about breaking the bad news to the rest of the world themselves.
If you stop and think about it, everybody knows that Iran already has a missile delivery system that is capable of reaching Israel and beyond, so if Iran decides to launch its own preemptive strike, and send a half a dozen stink bombs loaded with Sarin gas right into the middle of Tel Aviv, Israel will have our boy Leon to thank for it.
Common sense would tell you that if Israel does indeed have a spring attack planned, they will undoubtedly want to bump those plans up by month or so now.
How's it hanging Mr. President?
Mr. Prez, I feel like him being a little two-faced. While I respect your office and you as a husband and father, I find myself less than impressed with your results pal. Look, don't take it personal. You just got in with the wrong crowd. If nothing else, no one can say that you don't show great loyalty to the people who you surround yourself with. Loyalty is one of the greatest commodities someone can have. Unfortunately, you have placed your loyalty with a bunch of people who don't give it back. They really don't.I see your hair turning a little grayer every time Nancy Pelosi gets near a microphone. Dude, she's a strange one. Then there's your boy Eric Holder, and now Leon "let the cat out of the bag" Panetta. Any other president would fire these clowns before breakfast, but you hang in there with them through thick and thin. What can I say? It is what it is.
Is An Attack On Iran Necessary?
Iran declared war on the United States 30 years ago, and have been killing Americans and Jews by proxy, all over the world ever since. IED's are responsible for most of the deaths and injuries sustained by US troops in the Iraqi war. Iran supplied the materials and technology to our enemy for these IED's. They also supply the insurgents with weapons and ammunition. Same thing in Afghanistan. Sucks.
In early November, 2009, Israeli forces seized a cargo ship containing large amounts of weapons supplied by Iran to arm Israel's Lebanese enemies, Hezbollah. Hey, by the way .. Have you heard about that new love affair between Iran and the Muslim brotherhood? Oh yeah! Problems in Egypt? No problem, these Iranian creeps will seize any opportunity anywhere, any time to kill Americans and Jews, and wreak whatever havoc they can, everywhere they can. Sucks.
Would Iran Actually Use A Nuclear Weapon On Israel?
I doubit it. They don't need to. They are already responsible for 25% of the oil coming out of that region. A nuclear weapon would put Iran in charge of that region. They would control the Middle East distribution of oil to the rest of the world, while holding a nuclear threat over Israel's head just for shits and giggles. They would make life miserable for their Jewish neighbors and would continue to do so until they got themselves a nuclear war. But forget that for just a moment. We're talking the un-thinkable, and I don't want to go there here. Controlling the middle east oil supply means that Iran can have a major impact on the world economy without firing a shot. Sucks.
Commentary ..
The United States and Israel's best intelligence says that Iran, most likely will have a nuclear weapon by our November election, without intervention. Israel cannot and will not wait until it's too late. Iran has one of the best educated pro-democracy populations in the entire Middle East. Our president should have moved in back in 2009, when Iranian citizens took to the street in a failed attempt to overthrow the Iranian government. Instead, this administration sat on its hands and watch the Iranian government slaughter its citizens. Sucks.
What we need to insist on is this. No more limited force. We cannot make a mistake of going in to Iran simply to dispose of their nuclear facilities. Somebody needs to use common sense. If we do this, all we will do is delay the inevitable. The United States, along with Israel needs to invade Iran, eliminating its nuclear facilities, it's Air Force, and its entire Navy. If we do this right, we will have the support of the Iranian people. This is a young, educated, pro-Western, pro-democracy population. Quite frankly, I was sickend as the second Gulf War became eminent. Saddam Hussein, while being an evil tyrant, was happy just being the king ass-hole of Iraq. George Bush was hell-bent on setting up a democracy in the place, so to war we went. If you want to plant a garden you need fertile soil. The fertile soil for democracy was waiting for us in Iran, but instead, the Bush administration chose to sew its seeds in the hot, dry desert sand of Iraq. We're out of there now, and the Iranian backed insurgents are already getting busy stomping those seeds into oblivion. Sucks.
We have a chance now to do what we should have done then. Once again .. We need to invade this country with very bad intentions. We need to go in there with all the firepower that Israel and the United States has together and snot bomb that place until the Republican Guard starts speaking English. Then start the real ass whuppin. You want to rebuild a nation that can actually be our second real ally in the Middle East? These people are not bums. Their leaders are bums, but these people are not. Unlike Iraq and Afghanistan, helping the Iranian people will pay us large dividends. Doesn't suck.
So now that Leon Panetta has opened his big mouth, I would say it's time for us to go do a job that should have been done a long time ago. These guys are evil, and they are bullies. They will never go away, and they will never let up until we give them the ass whipping they've been begging for. I'm not saying that we go nuclear on them. We don't need to. We've got some real cool toys that will get the job done just fine if we let our generals get in there and do their job.
For once, quit tying their hands with political strings. Quit worrying about what the other countries in the world think. Let me remind you of something. In 1946, United States vaporized men, women, children, dogs and cats in the cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki Japan. A year later, every human being on the planet wanted to be an American. We been letting these bums around the world push us around for too long, and literally letting them get by with murder. We lost a CIA drone in Iran. If that's not embarrassing enough, our president asked for it back, and their president decided to send him a pink toy drone. Enough is enough. How we handle these creeps in the next few months will tell China and Russia a lot about us. In my mind, and I hope yours I see this as an opportunity to send a message to the entire world, and remind them that while being the most humane country in the world, we ARE the measure in which BAD ASS is defined. This is the time folks. Call your senator.
As always, thanks for taking the time to read my stuff. The fact that so many of you great writers here on the Hub take the time to do so, still blows my mind, and if you are reading these words, I love you. I hope you love me back, but whether you do or don't, the important thing is ..
Remember to eat all your veggies, say your prayers, and be sure to tell someone else love them!
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jim
Jim, you covered a lot of ground here. I don't see how anyone can not see the threat. I have to think the beans were spilled on purpose and that freaks me out. I don't believe in stupid accidents at this level of government. Letting these guys continue on with their hostility is like letting a rattler roam around the house unchecked. When you see evil, you must act, there is no excuse for not doing so other than condoning it. I suspect some want to rush this and then use it for political gain. I know that sounds ominous and manipulative, but if we really examine what has gone down in the recent past, I thing the theory is water tight. Thanks bunches for the interesting, useful information. I do love reading your hubs! God bless!
How can someone read your article and not criticize it for its ignorance! You really think that they are after the Iranian so-called nuclear weapon? As they did with the Iraqis? Didn't you get the lesson?
Why would Israel attack and Iran not respond? Would you? What you are secretly hoping is that the Iranians will bend over? Would you? But maybe our government wants us to be wiped out by the long range Iranian missiles?
It bothers me people who talk of a possibility of war with a light and humoristic tone!
Jim...
Let's deal with the misplaced loyalties of Presidents towards their Secretaries of Defense...I believe that particular list, both, begins and ends with Bush/Rumsfeld. Sucks.
To that point...the argument I was forming as I moved down your Hub was that President G.W. Bush had (long-since) expended any political, economic, diplomatic, and military capital that might have once been available for such an invasion and occupation. Sucks.
That option has effectively been taken off the table for this president because of his immediate predecessor's actions in Iraq.
Your words above on this matter are indeed elegant and true my friend. We should have gone after Iran in 2003 and saved them instead of the Iraqi's. We didn't then and now we can't. Sucks.
As I recall, the last time President Obama tried to save "citizens from being slaughtered by their own government"...he was roundly criticized for his (I thought) measured response which achieved it's goal. I of course speak of Libya. Doesn't suck to be Libyan now.
I agree with your goals but think your method will lead to disaster. It actually reminds me of a conversation I had with a guy on the eve of the Iraq invasion...
ME: "What's the exit strategy? How do we get out?"
HIM: "We Nuke the f**K out of em! That's what we do!"
ME: "OK. That won't happen. What's your new plan?"
He neither had a plan to get us out or an understanding of why we would need one. You want a plan...I have one my friend...
Realities:
1) Learning from the Israeli strike on Iraq's nuclear plant in (1983?) ...Iran has dispersed (and duplicated)it's facilities throughout the country.
2) A strike would consist of Israeli F-18s and their entire fleet of air-tankers to get them back. A report I read, about two years ago, suggested that such a strike would be successful...but at a probable loss of 75% of the Israeli Air force. I have mad respect for the I.D.A. and even more for the Mossad...they will get the job done.
Our Role:
a) Any and all targeting information. People and property.
b) Begin by repealing any number of Executive Orders that outlaw assassinations by members of the American Government. Kill the Iranian Leadership with sniper rifles, I.E.D.s, exploding Korans...whatever it takes.
c) Replace Israels F-18 at a tidy profit.
Every few weeks I read about an Iranian scientist being blown up. I'm pretty sure I'm not the first to think of this. But lets do it right.
In 1946 the entire world DID want to be American. I believe, however, it would be spurious to suggest that was merely because we incinerated 100,000 Japanese with a couple of bombs.
I like to think they wanted to be Americans in 1946 because of the 300,000 dead soldiers we left on foreign battlefields as we liberated them from tyranny...
I like to think they wanted to be Americans because our economy and lifestyle practically blinded them with our potential...
I like to think they wanted to be Americans because the humanitarian uplift provided by the Marshall Plan which clothed and fed the wretched mess that was left behind after the war, showing our kindness as a people...
This is not 1946 and to make plans, as if it were, is a bad idea I think.
OK my friend...I guess this is our first "Swing and a Miss" huh? (Laughing) It was bound to happen!
Thomas
Morning Jim.
You seemed to have stirred the barrel of opinions.
While seeing your points of view and agreeing with many I tend to think that these governments have a reason for not doing what most people would expect.
An example of government doings.
The British government under Mrs Thatcher sent the whole British forces thousands of miles to sort out the problem when the Argies invaded the Falkland island and got it sorted in a very short time. Political and expencive. Sadly a lot of sevice personnel lost their lives on both sides.
Why couldn't the British government sort out the problem in Northern Irleland that went on for 30 years or so?? They new who the people responsible for the killings and atrocities where, they new were they where and like any great fighting force could have gone in and ended this war in a very short space of time.
Why did it take so long for a super power like the USA and the tools that it had at hand ie. CIA and the other secret organisations that we aren't supposed to know about, so long to get Bin Laden???
Why!! because they use these situations as a trainning ground for live trainning. Giving our young and not so young the benifit of learning by doing.
It doesn't always work. Look at the Russian in Afganistan, USA, French and Australians in Vietnam. The Mujahideen and vietcong didn't want to play at trainning, they where in it for real and sent the invaders back home.
Sticking our noses in places where they don't belong, can leave you with a bloody nose as has been proven.
Take care Jim and have a good weekend.
LOL Ghaelach
Jim, I'm personally not knowledgeable enough to comment on the pros and cons of this hub.
I have read where Leon Panetta had to shame Obama into ordering the hit on Osama Bin Laden by telling him if would not do so, Panetta would do it himself. I personally know a guy who claims he had Bin Laden in his rifle sights years ago, but could not get the order to pull the trigger.
In reality, we citizens have no clue as to who are the latest friends of the US we have bought and paid for. We have a history of buying friends, arming them with the latest and greatest weapons, then latter facing them in battle where they use these very weapons we provided against our troops. We seem to change friends and enemies at about the same rate most of us change socks and underwear. We were warned going into Iraq that no matter what we did or how long we stayed, it would revert back to what it was when we left. We spent billions and needlessly lost many American lives trying to do something that could not be achieved.
For our own well being it is essential we know what is going on in the world. But is it really our job to be Big Brother to everyone? We give billions in Foreign Aid to countries that hate us. Do we even know what they do with this money? We give money to China who then loans it back to us and we pay interest on the loan? How about we just keep the money and pay no interest?
Thank goodness there are some highly paid and competent people who understand who our friends, and who our enemies are, but there are also many totally incompetent persons involved in the decision making process on who we like and who we will invade.
All of this is way above my pay grade.
You have presented the bare facts with naked candor.
This "cat out of the bag" syndrome is nothing new. Remember Panama, Granada, Somalia, Desert Storm, and Shock and Awe.
"Here's when we are coming, these are our objectives and approach routes."
The days of the press and administration cooperating with the military to preserve the element of surprise went out the window in Vietnam. The only operations that don't go public are planned in a small room.
You told Pres. Obama, "You just got in with the wrong crowd." That's a shame. It might have been different if he wasn't betrayed and hung out to dry. It doesn't fit this dissertation, but the most dangerous man in the crowd is Timothy Franz Geitner.
jim - My thoughts as a warrior of 23 years. I viewed my career in the military as a keeper of the peace which should be role of our armed forces - strength through deterrence. I was doing my duty when Iran seized the hostages and began to become the rogue nation that it is today. Their belligerence has grown throughout the years and yes, to them the US of A still remains the devil. Their ideologies and ours are at opposite ends of the spectrum. They will continue to be a state sponsor of global terrorism for as long as they are allowed to do so.
I believe that Iran is in pursuit of nuclear warheads which cannot happen. Israel knows it can't happen too. When you have any regime that does not place value on human life and will kill its own citizens without much thought that should red flag the world at large.
Obama had a golden opportunity to influence the course of events when there was the last civil unrest in Iran. He passed it up by not at least voicing support at first for the dissidents in Iran. It's called moral support and was needed at the time.
All the saber rattling that is occurring by Iran reminds me of the actions of Saddam Hussein before we had to go back in again and take him out of the picture. We should have done that at the conclusion of Desert Storm but due to "political correctness" we failed to do what should have been done.
Israel cares less about political correctness and I admire that attitude on their part. They are surrounded by hostility in the region and if poeple step back and really think about what our reaction would be if we were that nation they might gain a better perspective on the situation that Iran has created. It isn't the rest of the world that created that hostility. It is a very hostile nation where Islam is practiced at the extreme.
I'm not sure at this point if Panetta was firing a warning shot across the bow of Iran by his actions or not. That remains to be seen. But one thing should be seen quite clearly. A rogue nation like Iran, which wants a fanatical religious belief to triumph over the entire world, does not need to have nuclear warheads in its possession. They have already made it quite clear to the world that their goal is the annihilation of the country of Israel. That's not something anyone should tolerate no matter who is sitting there as the Commander-in-Chief.
Maybe Panetta sent the right message but I doubt that the fanatical nut cases in Iran got it loudly and clearly.
Just my thoughts as a old warrior.
The Frog
It's stupid to suggest we war with Iran,if it does happen which I believe it will because of opinions like yours. This is not the old USA this will be WW111 with nukes flying all over the world like a bunch of pisses off bees.
Peace.................I doubt it.
Rhonda,
Thanks for dropping by and giving me that badly needed support. It looks as though it may be the last. I get for a while. (laughing) I like your analogy of the rattlesnake loose in the house. Nobody likes chasing one of those suckers down, but you damn sure sleep better once it’s done.
Jim
Max,
As I read your comments, the first thing that came to my mind was that you were perhaps Iranian, but I knew that couldn’t be the case, because if it were, you wouldn’t have referred to me as ignorant. Then it hit me ..
If I want to listen to Ron Paul, I own one or two Tvs, and I know how to turn them on. The good Dr.’s only real drawback is his national security stand, which isn’t national security. It’s national suicide. Serving as a doctor in the Air Force does not make him a military strategist, and not one military expert agrees with his strategy.
When I visit a libertarian hub, I practice good manners, even though I may disagree with them. I can send you to some hubs where you can look at dialogue between me and another very intelligent libertarian, and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
Do you know what it feels like to have a bullet in you? I do. Have you ever watched anybody bleed to death as you watched helplessly? I have. Have you ever had to move a body that was minus as a head? I have. If you’ve experienced these things, I’ll let you refer to war anyway you want to, and I’ll reserve the right to refer to it anyway I want to.
I don’t mind it when people disagree with me. I learned from it. Thought Sandwiches (Thomas) is a friend of mine who disagrees with me, and does so in the comments below. While disagreeing with me, Thomas shows me respect, and I show him respect. What I won’t tolerate is bad manners, and insulting remarks. If you come back here, you better work very hard on your manners, and becoming a gentleman. Again, I don’t care if you disagree with me, but if you come back in here with that tone, you’ll get deleted.
Thomas,
Having you disagree with me does not bother me in the least. I would never try to convert you over to my way of thinking, because I like you just the way you are. You are a true gentleman, and I would prefer discussing this over a cold beer in an old bar while we make fun of everyone around us. But I will comment here in very general terms.
Regarding the Bush, Rumsfeld thing .. No argument there, my friend.
Regarding Bush and the Iraq war .. Again, no argument.
Regarding expended operating capital .. Once again, no argument. However, I will point out that we don’t have the operating capital for any of the proposed plans of this administration or the next administration who ever that will be. We are broke, and it’s not because of the Iraqi war. It’s because of the failed policies of both the Bush and Obama administrations. George got the ball rolling, and Obama took over. I don’t want to get into a BB gun war over this. The only point I wanted to make is that were broke. I honestly could care less who’s responsible. I’m interested in solutions. Back to the expended operating capital. Lack of capital does not stop this gang up in Washington from spending money on crap that we don’t need, so a lack of capital isn’t a factor in anything else we decide to do.
On a personal note. Thomas, I can’t reiterate enough, whether you disagree with me, or agree with me, I get smarter every time I talk to you. I don’t like, and this is a pet peeve of mine, blaming the predecessor for problems. In business, the reason you got the job of being in charge was because your predecessor didn’t get the job done. If you accept the job, you own it along with its problems. If you begin blaming your predecessor on day one, you will not see day two. You’ll never hear me defending George Bush, but baby, he’s gone and he never coming back. We gotta pick up the pieces and move on. I was raised to not make excuses, so admittedly, it’s very difficult for me to accept excuses. My mother raised me with no help from anyone. No child support, no welfare, nothing. To add to the problem, she worked in the Trust Department in a bank, and you know how well that paid. Further, every car mechanic, repair man, and insurance agent tried to rip her off because they thought she was just another dumb woman. If I heard my mother tell me once, I heard it 10,000 times .. “excuses don’t solve problems, Jimmy boy. Solutions solve problems.” If I were half the man my mother raised, I would be twice the man I am. But what success I have enjoyed in my life, I owe to her. She was a gorgeous blonde haired, blue-eyed babe, but she had a 140 IQ. She was as soft as a teddy bear, but tougher than General Patton when the situation called for it.
We’ll tear this up sometime over some cheap beer and fine brandy, but I never want you to agree with me. We counter balance one another and have the brains and the manners to show some of these other idiots how people who don’t agree with each other, can still be friends and get some problems solved together.
I don’t much care who I offend with my point of view, but I DO care about offending you. I know have a lot of respect for president Obama. I’ve never meant to be insulting towards him, and if I came across that way, I apologize. Friendship comes before politics in my book, and if it ever comes down to one or the other, politics, loses!
jim
Galeach,
Thank you for stopping by and giving me or read. I thank you even more for the well-thought-out comments. Whether or not I agree with every single thing you say is an important. I agree most of what you say, and I always walk away a little smarter after having listened to what you have to say. I honestly hope that you come in and critique every hub I write. I’ve got a lot to learn, and people like you with good brains and managed to match are essential to helping me get the very lofty goals I’ve set out in front of me.
Jim
Mike,
No, my friend. These things aren’t above your pay grade, they are above the pay grade of those in Washington. What our government does or doesn’t do with this Iranian situation is a complete mystery. We have something this, they will never have, and that is common sense.
Thanks for coming by my friend, but do to the fact that I had to get a little long-winded with a few people here and I’m losing daylight, I’m going to be brief here. We’ve got a lot of things wrong when it comes to security abroad. We need to get this one right, very badly.
Jim
Curry,
Thanks for coming by and taking the time to leave a comment my friend. Without taking my foot off the throttle on what I believe, I have to be mindful not to be insulting while laying out my beliefs. I’m working very hard to build something with the Housefire Project, and I ain’t screwing it up here in Hubland. There’s no shortage on the hub of people insulting one another.
Yes, letting the cat out of the bag the way Panetta did here is unheard of and inexcusable. Whether or not the information was solid behind his statement is immaterial. Even if it were being used as diversionary information, it could produce some very negative results.
All the other stuff we can talk about on the phone. In fact, if you haven’t heard from me by midweek next week, give me a call!
jim
Jim (Frog)
There is very little that we see differently. We may not always place the focus in the same place exactly, but we speak the same language.
From a military standpoint, I can’t agree with Panetta, making that statement. Even if it were tactical and diversionary, it could produce very negative results. When you distribute diversionary propaganda, is done through fourth or fifth parties, not like this. Other than that Bro, weeze walking the same line. Thanks for the visit!
Jim
Jim...
We must begin by saying...Yes...rather No...Politics don't mean sh*t between friends and I approach this topic from an academic viewpoint...the viewpoint of the historian.
George Bush...I mention his role not as a way of lashing out at the past, but rather, as a way of understanding the realities on the ground as regards an invasion of Iran as you outlined in the Hub. You simply can not remove him from the equation...his actions have had repercussions on our ability to act unilaterally.
The capital I spoke of was not so much money but good will. I have mad respect for George H.W. Bush's prosecution of the first Gulf War...he understood the notion of a 'real' fighting coalition. His son, and his team, lacked those skills.
Regarding Bush II's legacy...too early to tell by far. I would not be surprised if subsequent historians (100 years from now) will probably credit the Rise of the Arab Spring to his policies. In all honesty...he would be due any credit for democracy sweeping the Middle East. Conversely...he would also be responsible for the Muslim Brotherhood gaining a foothold in electoral politics. It is a Ying and a Yang.
I have frequently referred to myself as a "just-right-of-center" member of the Democratic Party. In terms of social programs...I'm a lefty...In terms of foreign affairs...I am a Hawk.
As such...I will say a very un-PC thing...My preference would be to have a dictator with my boot on his neck (Saddam) or under my control (Mubarack) than a democracy in which people who DON'T like my country are voting for policies.
Your mom sounds awesome and her situation sounds similar to my mom who was raising the three of us. My point being...American boots on the ground in Tehran is not the solution to the problem.
As I mentioned in my previous post...my methods wouldn't be gentle. You can't fight a war gentle...you can fight it smart, however. We are actually not on opposite sides of this equation...we just have two ways of reaching the same goal...stopping an Iranian nuclear strike. My way is better... (laughing)
Take care my friend!
Thomas
PS...If nothing else...you have riled me up. I ain't wrote this much on a political hub in ever.
Whats next,
I’ll tell you what’s stupid. Stupid is coming in here and making a couple of statements like that, with nothing to back it up. Having an opinion is one thing. I don’t have to greet with you, but you do need to come up with some facts as to why you have that opinion. I want to hear what you have to say, but bring something with it. I’ll give you all the space you need to lay it out, and I’m more than willing to listen.
Jim
Thomas,
If I can get you riled up, and keep you lovin me at the same time, I’m a happy guy. There’s not a whole lot that I can disagree with you on pertaining this last post, but if I think of something, I’ll make a drop!
Love ya, my brother. Stay riled!!
jim
"Any other president would fire these clowns ... but you hang in there with them ...". I think we should expect that. Isn't Obama quoted somewhere saying something like: "Do you want me turn my back on those who got me here?" I have the impression that's just part of who he is.
Regarding advertising an attack: Got to agree, old school would seek to preserve the moment of surprise. But on the other hand, when dealing with a child, don't we often say 'don't do that', followed by 'if you continue to do that, this will happen' then sometimes followed by 'I told you this was going to happen, but you just had to keep on doing it'. Like any child we've put through that process, it is reasonable to expect that at the end Iran will mouth words of surprise.
One more thing. I come from an Air Force family. We used to get big cans of pistachios from our friends who were stationed in Iran. My friends thought the locals were completely nuts. The Shaw may have been a jerk, but we stayed out of the way too much back when he got ousted. We just left our property (airplanes, etc.) sitting there. Our leadership was clueless. We should not back off from taking out known terrorists now. It was dumb to get bogged down with expeditionary forces, but it is not too late.
The fact is . . . we won't be starting any war. Hello?! It is already on!
One more thing, yet. You hear that the cold war is over. It isn't. The wall came down, but they aren't done yet. Have you ever heard of this Communist strategy? "One step back and two steps forward."
The communists haven't given up. There is still a dying breed of communist sponsored bull slingers out there. There are a few floating around in this venue. You can identify them fairly easily. They cast the same line of rhetoric from the day. They follow the sentence map. They are aggressive atheists, without much of an argument ("only an ignorant fool would believe in God. There is no god." or "If your god is good, then why does he let babies starve", etc.) The pinky pie hole will have a few stale hubs on politics, economics, world affairs or pop philosophy (sometimes none).
They are nothing more than pesky mosquitoes who are still buzzing around after sunrise. At best, they will be convincing to some teenager who is afraid to ride the bus to school. Don't delete them, let them fly in their ever decreasing concentric circles until they get their head stuck in their bung.
Excellent article, the sentiment on the latter side of the fence is that it's all for oil, but I don't recall the last time us actually getting any from Iraq. No occupation, no, conquest, just stopping crazy people from causing chaos.
Now go put some freaking pants on!
You, having experienced what you experienced doesn't give you the right to say nonsense! No I am not Iranian, you got that right! In what way was I disrespectful because I alluded to your ignorance? Why don't you answer my questions, first?
If you received a bullet, it's because you put yourself in such predicament! Don't try to look for some sympathy from me!
FittnezzJim,
Thanks for coming by and weighing in. You know, I haven't got any notices from the Hub about you writing anything in a long time. If you're writing, I'm not getting any notices, and would appreciate you sending me a link if you publish something.
Once again, thanks for taking the time to read and way in!
Jim
Curry,
I know. The wacks are still at large for sure my man.
jim
Onusous,
Thanks for coming by and doing a read. I agree. Our activity in the Middle East would look entirely different without oil, but oil or no oil, these nut jobs are a problem that has to be dealt with.
About the pants .. Dude, I took off my pants so that America wouldn't lose theirs! I'll start wearing pants when the budget is balanced and unemployment is below 5%. Until then, it ain't gonna happen. LOL
jim
Max,
I don't want your sympathy. I really don't want anything to do with you. As for your questions, what kind of answers are you looking for? You're the smart one, and I'm the ignorant one. Remember?
Look, if you kill Americans and Jews for 30 years,and threaten to wipe out a race of people off the face of the earth, you don't get a nuclear weapon. You may think it's ignorant, and you may not like it, but that's the way it's going to go down. End of story.
Look, there is a small percentage of people who think like you, and that's fine. There's not enough of you to do any real damage so far, so I'm not too concerned. Even though your communication skills are lacking, I do find you humorous, but let's cool it with the comments. I understand. You disagree with me and think I'm ignorant. Got it. Now, have a nice weekend and enjoy the Super Bowl.
Jim
No i just want countries to leave peacefully without the fear of any other countries to invade them for oil! You experienced the ravages of war didn't you, don't you think that it is enough? When will we stop?
Just check your facts because a lot of people will believe you!
I don't want kill anyone but don't justify the American and Israeli actions against Iran!
You said that you can disagree without killing me, that's exactly what I want a dialogue! You have to support your allegations!
Max,
The fact that you don't like war and that you think countries should live in peace, is a good thing. In fact, it's a beautiful thing. I hate it that the world behaves so badly. I wish everyone would leave everyone else alone and mind their own business.
It's just that some people are so inherently evil, that you can't turn your back on them. I believe in my heart that you, me, and the people we love are in grave danger as long as the current leadership of Iran is in existence. Once this problem is resolved, I want the United States to get involved with its own nation building, and be a lot more careful as to how we get involved in these things. We should have never invaded Iraq, and we should have been out of Afghanistan before the end of the first year. I'm as sick of war as you are. I take a lighter approach to this stuff, because if I don't, it makes me feel like throwing up just talking about it. War is so freaking ugly, and the ugliest part about it is that the only ones who suffer are the ones who had nothing to do with getting the war started to begin with.
I won't go on and on, I just want you to know that we don't disagree on everything.
Jim
Well Jim, your article is very thought provoking. I certainly am interested in our national security and that of the nation of Israel. I am also interested in the well-being of the world community. My Euan the Highlander fictional series (3 chapters) creates a doomsday scenario with Iran as the instigator. Poetvix is my greatest fan but I have not generated much of a readership following. The present Iran/Israel survival conflict is the heart of my thesis. More people should know that Iraq and Afghanistan were false fronts and driven by private financial interests rather than OUR national security.
Jimmy Carter dropped the ball and Ronald Reagan picked it up and ran with it. Reagan was downed at the ten yard line because of the need to eliminate the global nuclear race and threat first. China and Russia rattle sabers still but are integrated in the world financial and economic community and lack the incentive to encourage rogue nations like North Korea and Iran.
As you very perceptively point out,the people of Iran are young, educated and democratic minded and they need to be liberated rather than incinerated. Because of our embroilment in Iraq and Afghanistan, our hands were tied when the opportunity to support the young Iranians arose. SUCKS. Zbignew Brzinski was the secretary of state under Carter and has published a book on world military strategy to which the Bush dynasty subscribes titled on chess tactics or something. The dwindling energy resources of the world exist in the "Stans". Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc, etc. Pipeline access to the seaways is essential. Everybody thought that Iran would develop an enlightened self interest and buckle to economic pressure and incentive. No one could have known that lunacy at the highest levels of government would have prevailed at this juncture but it has and now only military intervention remains a viable option. Withdrawal from Iraq was the condition precedent.
Afghanistan is only pipeline real estate, is untamed, unstable and cannot be bypassed.
The 1983 air attack was paranoid and ill-advised. It gave rise to alternative defense strategies which make a modern destruction of Iranian nuclear capacity near impossible. It needs to be accomplished from the air and through clandestine and contract assassination to decapitate the Iranian Government. Strategic warfare is essential to preserve the Iranian people from collateral damage to the extent possible.
Israel cannot prosecute this war. They have too many fronts to defend and cannot afford the resources to prosecute a prolonged offensive war. Only the USA can afford to prosecute this war and cannot afford to not prosecute this war. Assuming the closure of the Gulf of Hormuz,this will disrupt only 20% of the foreign oil supply and will create shortage and price increases but not worldwide depression.
North American Canadian and USA Oil supplies will increase in value and accelerating their extraction will solve the regional unemployment problems. The NAFTA Nations of Mexico, Canada and the USA have the greatest natural gas and shale oil supply in the world next to the "Stans". We need to sacrifice our fresh groundwater supplies in favor of "Super Fracking" to access our deep fossil fuel reserves. We can worry about desalinization of ocean waters later. Right now, we must save the planet from the rogue lunacy of Iran.
If removing the prohibition from the assassination of foreign leaders will save the lives of American service personnel, we should get on with it. "Damn the torpedoes and full speed ahead!" Let's tell them to go "Frack" themselves.
@Sligobay - Hi there you! :) OK, I have a question. I don't understand why the water for fracking has to be fresh water. Water is water, can't we use run off, or waste if not salt? I get that salt water is damaging to the components required but really worry about sacrificing fresh. The world's drinkable water supply is shrinking at an alarming rate. Is there another viable alternative?
Pants, one can't deny that. It would definitely have a different dynamic without the oil being there. Mainly because the middle easterners wouldn't have any money to fund the craziness.
Alright keep the pants off, you never see a no shirt, no shoes, no pants rule at the supermarket anyway.
It is interesting that with perspective now, Iraq, Afghanistan are seen as mistakes. In what way Iran is different? Which Muslim country did ever attack any Western countries? None. Why would Iran start? Does it care less of its people than us? On the contrary, Sept 11 showed us how our government cared about us!
sligobay,
Thank you for taking the time to do a read and give such a complete and thorough response. You know your stuff pal, and maybe you ought to consider stepping into my little organization. It's called The Housefire Project, and we've got some pretty bold plans. If you have any interest, Rhonda can fill you in and get you to our website. I love reading her stuff, so I'm going to give you a follow. I'm sure I will enjoy reading yours also.
I've said it once, and I'll say it again .. "The success that I have enjoyed in the past is a result of me surrounding myself with smart people who make me look smart." Without the blessing of good people around me, I'd probably be washing car windows on some corner downtown. Anyway, check us out and if it feels good, do it?
Thanks again for coming by. I stay pretty informed, but you laid out couple of things that even I wasn't aware of, so you are welcome in my camp anytime bro! It's
jim
Onusonus,
Thanks bro. No worries, I keep clean underwear on. Dysfunctional maybe, but not perverted! lol
Max,
War by proxy. They sponsor terrorism around the world. These terrorist are dedicated to killing as Americans and Jews as they possibly can. The Iranian people are well educated pro-democracy pro-West people. They deserve better. I understand your position, but you will never understand mine. I wish that the Iranian leadership had more healthy goals, but their goal is to control the middle east and all the oil. They have openly said, and it's a matter of record, that they are dedicated to the complete destruction of the United States and Israel. We would have to be out of our minds, not to do everything possible to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon. It's just that simple.
Jim
Which terrorists? The ones that Bush created? Which Muslim country will be pro-west given all the military attacks caused by the USA/Israel/England axis? The Iranian president (elected by the people) is investing in the resources of his country! How do you know about their goals? Do you know something that we don't? Saudi Arabia controls the Middle-East and the oil. China, Pakistan were our enemies, not anymore! Can we give them the benefit of the doubt or their oil national reserves are too important for us to step out?
Do you care about people that are killed in Somalia, in Ethiopia, in Cote d'Ivoire, in Congo, Nigeria... Why would you only worry about the destiny of Jews since freedom and conscience are our motivation?
Hello Poetvix. Reports by the EPA confirm major pollution of groundwater associated with fracking. We need to put environmental concerns aside and maximize domestic oil production. See you tube clips of GASLAND,nominated for documentary Academy Award by guy named Fox. Cheers.
Max,
Bush created? Who was president during the first attack on the twin towers?
Let me get this clear. You think that President Ahmadinejad is a pretty good guy who was elected in a fair election? And that thing in 2009 where the Iranian government slaughtered all those citizens who were protesting was doing the right thing? Here's a video of your buddy talking about wiping out Israel. http://www.youtube.com/verify_controversy?next_url/watch%3Fv%3D_9zcElqetqk
The rest of this is so off color I'm not going to address it. Good luck.
What are you trying to convince me of? We are going nowhere.
max,
Different worlds my friend.
jim
Hey Jim,
I think we need to be in prayer for the leaders of Israel that they have wisdom from God. I can see your point, in that if Iran's regime (not their people), who have been publicly spouting so much hatred toward America and Israel, are able to create a nuclear bomb and bury it so deeply it cannot be affected by a future, proactive/defensive attack, timing is everything. Truth is, if Iran ever succeeded at making a bomb, they will USE it! They've been playing with 'toy cars' without licenses ~ I bet they can't wait to 'drive' the regal machine.
Their first goal is to 'wipe Israel off the map'; surely, they won't stop there. They will continue to threaten every other country that doesn't allow them supremacy (Islam/Sharia). Look at how they treat their own! And all these sanctions the UN is imposing are only hurting their citizens more and more.
Really, this announcement from our own Defense Secretary, who frankly appears more worried about Iran blaming America than he is about keeping extreme regimes in check for the good of the globe, was probably a lame attempt to get on Iran's good side by giving them the 'heads up'. Maybe he hopes he'll thwart the whole thing. On the other hand, it may be that Israel has to strike much sooner now, so Iran doesn't have time to prepare. Going to war before the 'time' can be a fiasco. I wonder how Israel feels about Panetta's public statement?
Excellent read. I read ALL the comments, too!!
Not trying to convince you of anything. It is what it is. Two different worlds my friend. Looking at your hubs, it doesn't appear that you have a very high opinion of America. We couldn't be further apart. If that's how you roll, that's how you roll. Good luck. I mean it. No hard feelings here.
Not of America! Only its powerful corporations and governments!
JD,
You are absolutely right. We all need to be in prayer on this. Even if this was intended as strategic dis- information,it can only have negative consequences. What the medicine statement could backfire and play right into the hands of the Iranians. I'm waiting to see what a retired CIA friend of ours has to say about this.
Prayer, prayer, and more prayer!
Jim
Max,
It do get ugly bro. No arguing about that.
Jim
Fascinating and clearly thought provoking hub. Iran is a real and not perceived threat not only to Israel but to the U.S and it's interests. The thought of them possessing nuclear weapons is beyond frightening. The U.S. Intelligence community believes that Iran is prepared to launch terrorist attacks in the U.S. in response to perceived threats from America and its allies. Panetta's announcement added fuel to this fire for sure. The U.S. had better pay attention. Great work. Up useful, interesting and awesome.
I'm going to skip the reading of most of the comments here, not because I don't agree or don't care what others have to say (I will read them after I post this), I only want to get my thoughts out while they're still fresh. Your article really struck a chord with me, very well thought out.
What has occurred here, is Panetta has turned Israel into the proverbial carrot. Warning Iran that an attack is imminent should, at worst, encourage them to concoct a pre-emptive strike against Israel, or at best, do nothing but lie in wait for Israel to strike and then obliterate them within Iranian territory. A pre-emptive strike would be in Iran's best interest, and would give the rest of the free, democracy-loving world a reason to hop on the bandwagon and come to Israel's defense in the war no one is in a hurry to start. We've been posturing in the gulf for over a month now, waving the metaphorical hands at Iran saying "Bring it."
The other side of this token is Iran's statement, via Ayatollah Ali Khamenei during prayers on Friday, that they will back anyone, anytime anywhere, who seeks to confront the "Zionist regime". What this says, is that Iran will do anything it can to take down Israel, regardless of who strikes first. Whoever stands beside Israel is an enemy of Iran, and therefore subject to the same tactics employed by the Iranians.
The question is, will our government allow a Pearl Harbor or WTC catastrophe to make this war happen? And not necessarily on our own soil, it could happen anywhere. And let's face it, we haven't known peace in over 10 years. Our economy is in the toilet as a result. We're sending billions in aid to other countries, countries which are by NO means stable, let alone reliable in the areas of assisting should this thing come to a head, while we get further and further in the hole and do not take care of what we have here at home. So, if we DO get drawn into another war, (and we will, we've had Israel's back from the beginning), we can expect more of the same economic crises in the years to come. It won't be quick and decisive. It will be a long ugly war, and one that's fought dirty. And while I understand the purpose of our involvement (moral right, protection of the region, defenders of the good, and Iran's control of 25% of the oil in the region), I can't in good conscience say that our involvement would be to the benefit of our country, and I definitely disagree with serving up Israel as a sacrificial lamb, baiting Iran to fire the first shot.
Ultimately, though, Iran will have to be dealt with. There's literally no way around it with things as they are now.
Thank you for sharing your article!
Laury,
Thank you for laying out this well thought out response to my hub. We have a tendency to expect what's been given us in the past here in America. I don't. I expect more, and when I'm done, the rest of my brothers and sisters here in America are going to expect more too. A lot of people do not understand the extent of United States firepower. Because these so-called wars we've been fighting are political, our military has not been allowed to perform anywhere close to its capability. Our firepower is so in credibly awesome that the only purpose that our nuclear weapons serve is giving us the old ace in the hole. We have the ability to cripple any of the other major powers in the world in 90 days. We could cripple Iran's military capabilities in 24 hours. That's a fact. The American people need to change and upgrade their expectations. That's what my grassroots organization is all about. Your thinking is right on, and you can consider this your personal invitation to join us. We haven't even started taking donations yet, and were growing steady, just by word-of-mouth.
Whether you join us or not, thank you very much for your participation in this hub!
http://www.housefireproject.com/
Jim
Little Sister With Giant Brain,
I screwed up the order of my responses. Sorry about that!
Our government is hung up on responding to problems as opposed to what is done in any successful business, which is to anticipate problems and develop solutions. Before problems become problems. Be that as it may, the showdown is inevitable. School is over, and the bully is out there waiting at the flagpole to fight. It's time to take him down.
Thanks for coming by Patti. Your awesome!
Jim
Max says no Muslim countries have attacked America. That's right. It would be suicide on their part. They are satisfied with hiding behind women and children and taking potshots.
This is a free country. I'll welcome a Muslim who buys the house next door, but stay out of the street and don't tell me where to walk my dog.
Point well made Curry. As I said, they war by proxy.
j
I should have said, "Don't block the street or tell me where to walk my dog."
This is a good place to work on your chops.
Curry,
(Laughing) Glad you cleared that up. I wasn't sure where the hell you were coming from.
jim
TMWNP: Sorry Jim, for once I do not have a lot to say about what you wrote. You were a bit over my head with this one! As always you attempted to inform us of what is going on and I appreciate that! Still I might have to reread this a couple of times before I would be capable of making a better comment then just saying, thank you for letting me know what is going on in this world from your side :-)
mythicalstorm,
God do I love honesty! You just take your time, and if you have any questions, drop me a hub mail if your a little nervous commenting here. I'll be happy to do my best to answer it. Thank you for the visit and more important, your honesty.
jim
Gotta say I completely agree with you. I wish more people in upstate NY thought the way we did. Iran has been threatening us for decades, and even though they have yet do act on their empty threats, it does'nt mean they wont and soon. When we foiled the attempt to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States, that was by far an act of war and agression on OUR soil. Right then if i was the guy in the big white house i would have had a cruise missle land right on Ahmadinejad's lap. Proceed to wipe out their navy and whatever nuclear fascilities they have. Strike quick and strike hard.
Now onto Obama not doing a thing besides "sanctions" on Iran. I mean c'mon, have some back bone and be consistent with how you act towards Israel. When he said to them that they should give up some land to Palestine, throwing the whole nation of Israel under the bus, to saying we will back you against Iran, it just is'nt consistent.
Hey Red,
Thanks for coming by. In all fairness, the sanctions game is the accepted first line of cure. I might be wrong, but I can't think of an instance in which they've actually worked. They failed with Cuba, they failed with North Korea, and they have continuously failed with Iran. I can see using sanctions is a sort of warning shot, but like they say, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I hate wars, especially stupid wars. But this is serious business, and we've got to stop this "Pussifacation of America" program, and hit these bastards hard.
Thanks a million for stopping by my friend!
Jim
I am a veteran. A war veteran from the first gulf war. I find this entire hub disgusting. If Isreal wants to go to war with Iran then do it. But stop trying to drag the United States Of America into this dog crap. We are not the attack dog of Isreal! We have been at war for over ten years in two countries! We got our own damn problems, stop calling on the U.S. to do your dirty work!
Bill,
Sorry you find this disgusting. Actually, I don't. I'm glad you find it disgusting because I actually find it somewhat disgusting myself.
I'll venture to say I've seen more combat than you my friend. Maybe not, I don't know you, but I've seen more than my share. I don't like war, and if I can go my whole life without watching anybody else die, I will be a happy man. Like you, I'm sick and tired of this peacekeeping nation building crap. However, this Iran thing is different, and I explained why in this piece. These creeps jeopardize the freedom that you and I have fought for, and if they would accept me at my age, I would gladly participate in any ground mission objective aimed taking out this regime is and their nuclear capabilities. I have children and grandchildren, and I am very concerned about their future. This will not go away. Iran is funding Hezbollah, who is training ride across the border down here in Arizona. They are terrorists and cannot be allowed to develop a nuclear weapon.
Though we may disagree, I respect and understand how you feel my brother. Thank you for your service.
Jim
If it was that damn urgent then why can't NATO or Great britian or Russia step in and stop Iran? Maybe because they have enough nukes to turn Iran into a radioactive whole in the ground! As do we and so does Isreal,do you really think IRAN would be so stupid to start a nuclear war? The drums of war have bankrupted our economy and divided our nation. It is time that America puts America first! Damn that holy jihad forever war crap! If those people want to fight to the death over a few miles of dirt than so be it! I'm tired of it, and I am not the only one.
Bill Yon
Personally , I was against war in Iraq. I'm tired of the United States, playing the role of the world's policeman. We had to go into Afghanistan, but the bouncing ball political objectives have turned this into a ten-year conflict that everyone is sick of.
The mistakes we have made in the past can't be a reason for not doing what's right in the present and future. NATO is a joke and Russia is sleeping with Iran. Come on man. In any case, it looks like it's going to go your way anyway. This administration is going to wait for Israel to do the job, so you haven't got anything to worry about anyway.
j
Larry Wall Level 6 Commenter 3 months ago
There are many possibilities that I will not begin to explore.
I will only say that Israel is not one to wait if a threat is likely.